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However, I guess you will fail to do so because it is way too general topic and therefore, it would make no sense to start such a template.

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Raysonho ( talk) 15:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply As already said, feel free to start similar 'Windows laptops' template. But to maintain an unbiased WP:NPOV if we add this huge list as Linux Devices, we will also add the same list (may be a bigger list, as Windows supports more laptop models) as Windows Devices. I don't understand why we should group all kinds of laptops and desktops and servers as 'Linux Devices' and add all of them into the template.

Further, all general purpose computers can run Linux, but without Linux the machine can be installed with Windows or Solaris and still work perfectly well. And, there are only 2 models that are shipped with Linux, which makes it less important. Now you see a problem of adding the template for Windows? It tells us that the HP 2133 is NOT designed for Linux, it's just another laptop model that the manufactor ships Linux with some models. Species8473 ( talk) 03:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply Of course I will cleanup the template page - see the discussion in the Not qualified as a Linux device section. Windows doesn't have to be ignored, there is nothing against adding a template for that as well. As it would influence many other products having the template as well. If you don't agree with that, I believe it's best you take it there. Raysonho ( talk) 02:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply Following two editors on the template talk page rules section, all products that are shipped with Linux can be added. And, as I mentioned above, over 99.9% of the laptops are shipped with either Windows or Linux, there is nothing special about the hardware. I don't see why we need to emphasis Linux while ignoring Windows. Species8473 ( talk) 02:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply There are 6 models of HP 2133 shipping with Windows XP or Vista, while only 2 with Linux preinstalled. Template is appropriate as the device ships with Linux 1 and is stated to be for Linux at the product specification on the manufacturer website. Raysonho ( talk) 01:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply I am affraid you will not reach consensus here.- Kozuch ( talk) 18:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply Third opinion Why dont you have problems with them too then? - Kozuch ( talk) 00:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply I will cleanup the template itself, but it's the first step to clean up the article page. Raysonho ( talk) 01:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC) Reply There is 11 more devices like this HP netbook in the laptop section of Template:Linux devices. count) says it is preinstalled with Linux? Which is correct? - causa sui talk 23:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Reply It is preinstalled with Win XP or Vista, together with Linux being an option to the users when they order the machine.Raysonho ( talk) 23:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Reply Kozuch ( talk However, it's marketing more than anything else as there is nothing special with the device itself. If there is demand, there can be laptops preinstalled with Solaris, and even QNX or VxWorks. 99.9% laptops on today's market can be shipped with any OS that runs on x86. I don't think a laptop (or computer) should be grouped in this kind of 'XYZ-device'. Kozuch ( talk) 14:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Reply Well, maybe we should do that? If it runs linux, then it's a linux based device, right? - causa sui talk 19:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Reply It is a Windows device then, as it has Windows preinstalled. Raysonho ( talk) 18:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC) Reply The device SELLS with Linux preinstalled, which qualifies for a template inclusion.

Browser - Google Chrome 10+, Internet Explorer (IE)10.0+, and Firefox 3.6.x, 12.Otherwise, we will need to say every single x86, and in fact, many cell phones that can run Linux, and other Unix servers as Linux device.

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